Archived messages from: gitter.im/red/blockchain from year: 2019

siriusye
09:28blockchain for red is dead
rebolek
09:28Why are you saying that?
siriusye
09:29there was no one talk in this channel in the last 15 days
09:29i mean the community, not the technology
rebolek
09:29So? The work on C3 continues and so does the work on Red language itself.
09:30Once C3 is out, you can expect much higher activity.
siriusye
09:30yes, that's true
rebolek
09:32There are rooms with no activity for months, but that doesn't mean related stuff is dead.
greggirwin
19:51@siriusye in the future, please start with something less confrontational. When we see posts like "red is dead" out of nowhere, our warning systems automatically activate.
x8x
22:05Constantinople upgrade postponed.. https://github.com/ethereum/go-ethereum/releases/tag/v1.8.21

loziniak
20:28Hi! I've tried to compile red/wallet under linux. It compiles fine, but gives me *access violation* error, when I run it. It's probably not the same problem as previous [Gtk issue](https://github.com/red/red/wiki/[NOTES]-Gtk-Bindings-Development#known-problems), because it crashes even on 32-bit system, on which simple *Vid* tests run ok. I even disabled all HID and hardware wallets, put a dummy software wallet instead (see [my GitHub](https://github.com/robotix-pl/wallet/tree/softwallet) ), thinking that lack of USB dongle might be the cause. What do you think?

x8x
20:22https://news.mit.edu/2019/vault-faster-more-efficient-cryptocurrency-0124

GiuseppeChillemi
07:01@greggirwin
07:02>> @siriusye in the future, please start with something less confrontational. When we see posts like "red is dead" out of nowhere, our warning systems automatically activate.
07:02Mine has been activated too

x8x
18:32Cast your vote! Do you want proof of work mining algorithm to be more ASIC-resistant? YES or NO?
https://www.progpowcarbonvote.com/
9214
18:40@x8x that would just postpone the inevitable. GPU sellers need a break :wink:
And this vote would matter only for Ethash-based coins and Ethereum Classic with other PoW-reliant hard forks, or for Casper FFG, am I right?
x8x
18:56Background story https://decryptmedia.com/5219/progpow-kristy-leigh-minehan-ethereum-mining-asic-gpu
18:57I don't have an opinion, she is definitely in touch with Nvidia and AMD.. but pretty sure this means only one thing: ~~war~~ fork.
9214
19:04Oh, interesting. Shitstorms prior to Constantinople are expected though. The idea behind ProgPoW sounds cool, I'll give her that.
rebolek
19:50It's not loading, maybe it needs some webserver ASIC.
9214
19:57@rebolek try HTTP instead of HTTPS.
x8x
19:58humm sorry for that.. http://www.progpowcarbonvote.com/
rebolek
20:13HTTP only? Ouch.
x8x
20:15Yea you're supposed to send zero ETH to the listed addresses, but still.. not sure about the reasoning of no https
rebolek
20:17Getting certificate is super easy these days. Not doing it is as bad idea as using light gray text on white background. But OK, I'll vote, why not.
21:05Hm, so it's ~1,8Mether vs ~0,2Mether, however it's also 161 vs. 28 votes. Or 11'000 ether per vote (epv) vs. 7'000 epv. I guess my 0.01 epv is going to be totally irrelevant.

x8x
19:36Ethereum Constantinople and St. Petersburg upgrades happening in about 10 minutes, watch it live [here](https://amberdata.io/blocks/7280000), more infos [here](https://blog.ethereum.org/2019/02/22/ethereum-constantinople-st-petersburg-upgrade-announcement/)
19:52Fork status monitoring is overloaded, try any of:
- http://forkmon.ethdevops.io/
- http://mon04.ethdevops.io/forkmon
BeardPower
19:53https://amberdata.io/blocks/7280000
rebolek
20:53137 blocks have now been mined, with no evidence of a chain split.
20:54So no free shitcoins for everybody.

x8x
20:52Really?? https://twitter.com/lukechilds/status/1100613365850767360

BeardPower
07:28@rebolek No. It was expected that the old chain would be abandoned.
rebolek
07:31I know, it was a joke :)

9214
17:18Worthwhile read on decentralized future:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cognitiveworld/2019/03/15/society-desperately-needs-an-alternative-web
x8x
17:51Also "society desperately needs a climate fix"

rebolek
13:1715% pump phase seems to be over, so ~30% dump is here in few hours/days.
BeardPower
16:48@rebolek So let's short the hell out of it ;-)
rebolek
17:27I'm going to short my 0,001 BTC like there's no tomorrow!!!
BeardPower
20:44@rebolek That's the spirit!

ne1uno
03:11watch those margins

31880994zz
12:04Your RED team should speed up the development, preferably to develop a mobile app that allows your release of RED TOKEN to flow, which will facilitate the return of TOKEN prices to China's www.gxb.io, which is a company that uses block chains as credit data.

Digital currency prices are not so good at affecting your team's progress, so we should speed up the development of practicality.






12:06https://token.red-lang.org/

https://www.gate.io/trade/RED_USDT?k=86400

12:06[![Screenshot_20190407-184101.jpg](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/Mdet/thumb/Screenshot_20190407-184101.jpg)](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/Mdet/Screenshot_20190407-184101.jpg)
12:06[![Screenshot_20190407-184053.jpg](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/GCHk/thumb/Screenshot_20190407-184053.jpg)](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/GCHk/Screenshot_20190407-184053.jpg)
12:06[![Screenshot_20190407-184115.jpg](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/ZKME/thumb/Screenshot_20190407-184115.jpg)](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/ZKME/Screenshot_20190407-184115.jpg)
12:06[![Screenshot_20190407-184108.jpg](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/5yes/thumb/Screenshot_20190407-184108.jpg)](https://files.gitter.im/red/blockchain/5yes/Screenshot_20190407-184108.jpg)
12:08If you can do this, it will help the RED team to solve the TOKEN price problem.

12:08It can also gather popularity.
9214
12:08@31880994zz there's no need to cross-post your suggestions in multiple rooms. I should also warn you that price speculation is an illegal activity, and that asking team to do so may result in a ban, so as promotion of any other blockchain projects.
31880994zz
12:10Using Android IOS Development Zone Block Chain Client to allow the red language program to use open source on the platform to directly use the red language program to develop smart contracts and DAPP on the platform.
12:12Okay, I see this room is a chain of blocks, so I'm here to suggest something, and I'm not trying to say digital currency, I'm just trying to make some development suggestions for your team.
12:12sorry
12:15It's possible that language problems can lead to obstacles and misunderstandings.

GiuseppeChillemi
07:47Which resources do you suggest to start with blockchains and smartcontracts for someone which knows quite nothing apart "a bitcoin is a math result which needs a bit of time and resources to be calculated"?
greggirwin
17:20Until Red/C3 is available, start with Solidity and its docs. You can also look at Vyper, but it's still a work in progress. Much easier to understand than Solidity though.
31880994zz
19:02@greggirwin Thank you for your response, community leader.
19:04@greggirwin I will continue to support your Red Language program.
GiuseppeChillemi
19:20Maybe I have found something....
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/blockchain-cryptocurrency-packt-books?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_3

Seems interesting. Have you read them ?
31880994zz
19:22@GiuseppeChillemi I haven't read it yet.
GiuseppeChillemi
19:25there is "solidity programming essentials"
31880994zz
19:27@GiuseppeChillemi I'm not very interested in programming, I'm a chain enthusiast from China, and I'm more interested in the red language's block chain program.
GiuseppeChillemi
19:31@31880994zz But RED it's a programming language and not a program "per se"
31880994zz
19:33@GiuseppeChillemi I understand that the red language is not a program in itself, but the program is a programming language, and it's like the relationship between a parent and a child.
19:34@GiuseppeChillemi It's the chain of blocks that brings me to the red programming language.

31880994zz
00:02@greggirwin Community Manager, please ask when the red block chain project will actually land or when it will see a productive application online.
00:02@greggirwin Can you tell me about it?
greggirwin
02:18We'll make announcements as plans are made and public information is ready.
31880994zz
13:31@greggirwin Okay, thank you for your response.

rebolek
17:20https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/349
TRON-based Tether. Scam-based scam.

31880994zz
03:57@greggirwin I 'd like you to come over here and update us on the red token for the block chain project so that more supporters can focus on you.
03:57https://t.bqi.com/recruitment
greggirwin
06:01@31880994zz our resources are already spread thin, so I can't promise to add another channel. I've noted it, in case I can free up some time.
31880994zz
07:11@greggirwin I get it
23:02Hello, may I ask you a question about your Red Language Block Chain Team?

greggirwin
16:32We all wear many hats, and contribute to many aspects of Red. There is no separate team for the blockchain work. Just that some people spend more time on it than others.
31880994zz
18:24@greggirwin Will you have your own main network on the block chain in the future? At present, ERC20 tokens are issued through ETF.
greggirwin
20:30There are no plans for creating our own blockchain. There is no need.
31880994zz
23:26@greggirwin If you don't do your own main network, how will the development of DAPP mentioned in your white paper be completed in the future?
greggirwin
23:38Smart contracts will all run on the EVM or other compatible blockchain VMs. That's the target platform.
31880994zz
23:56@greggirwin Like Solidity High-Level Language

31880994zz
00:01Red programming language is a tool chain
00:03If you have your own main network to promote and use red language through your own main network, I personally think the effect will be better.
greggirwin
02:43Red is a cross platform language. The EVM is just another platform. Red excels at creating DSLs. Smart contracts are just another type of DSL, specific to that platform. We have thought about all this. :^)
31880994zz
06:56@greggirwin Since it's planned, I'll wait for good news from your organization.

ne1uno
12:50checkout their logo, 3d pyramid https://cdn2.codefund.app/Hkyh4xJ9Jpa3bk7C6yMde34c
12:50Blockchain Developer Bootcamp - Registration Ends May 1 https://consensys.net/academy/bootcamp/faq/
9214
13:44@ne1uno I'm not sure what you're trying to say - this prism-like shape is a commonly accepted Ethereum logo, part of their [visual identity](https://github.com/ethereum/ethereum-org/blob/master/public/images/logos/Ethereum_Visual_Identity_1.0.0.pdf).
ne1uno
13:52ok, I hadn't noticed that before

BeardPower
11:11Important info!
https://twitter.com/Ledger/status/1121439219086495745?utm_source=Iterable&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=campaign_613005

siriusye
05:37any updates in general? the last blog was in February.
greggirwin
15:34We plan to post an update later this month.

siriusye
03:00good to know! keep up

31880994zz
22:05I'm disappointed that the expected project is moving too slowly and not proceeding as planned.
greggirwin
22:15We'd like to move faster as well, always. But the plan hasn't changed.
31880994zz
23:40The blog hasn't had any new news for half a year. Your information update is too slow.
greggirwin
23:45I agree, but "half a year" is rounding way up. Last post was 14-Feb.
23:46And if you're on Gitter, you see activity every day.

siriusye
15:17https://d.group/ i rencently found this project's name on this page. This seems to be a good crypto funding?
BeardPower
20:53DGroup is a crypto-lender and has a longer history of OTC crypto trading in China. They also invested in the Red ICO.

31880994zz
15:12Are you building block chains? Is RED TOKEN valuable?
9214
15:51> Are you building block chains?

No, and we never intended to do so.

> Is RED TOKEN valuable?

That depends. You won't be able to make a quick buck on our project and technology, simply because we don't play this game and push against crypto speculators. On the other hand, RED has potential as an utility token for intra-community economy and incentive for FOSS contributors, so anyone who participates in our project in constructive manner will benefit from it, one way or another.

31880994zz
17:43Thank you for your answer.

pekr
07:21In last week, there were several news re Facebook's new cryptocurrency, called most probably Libra. Once available, is there a chance of it being supported by Red Wallet?
BeardPower
08:33@pekr Libra is a custom DLT developed by FB. If the Red wallet would support their DLT then yes but currently, no.

siriusye
09:35> That depends. You won't be able to make a quick buck on our project and technology, simply because we don't play this game and push against crypto speculators. On the other hand, RED has potential as an utility token for intra-community economy and incentive for FOSS contributors, so anyone who participates in our project in constructive manner will benefit from it, one way or another.

This is an interesting way of doing a project. It looks like the retro blockchain. However, there still needs some methods to maintain the token price to some extent to help contributors to get something real? Or tokens are only prize medals like early bitcoin.
31880994zz
09:59@siriusye I agree with you.
10:00To be honest, I'm afraid the red token will be offline soon because the volume and price are too low.
10:03I participated in the red token ICO project when I was in ETH $1000. I got more than 2 million red tokens. Although I am not in a hurry, I hope to see that the attitude of the project side is positive.
10:24At the end of May, you will say that the updating of blog information is coming to an end in June or that you have not received any updates from your blog. Can I no longer trust your Red Project Group?
rebolek
10:26@31880994zz you certainly can trust Red Project. The reason for dealy with blog article is that time writing is time not spent coding. It's that simple :)
31880994zz
10:27@rebolek :)
rebolek
10:29So better metrics is looking at [number of commits](https://github.com/red/red/commits/master). You can see lot of activity there.
31880994zz
10:30Links I have collected thank you for your reminder
rebolek
10:33@31880994zz you're welcome. And don't get me wrong, I'm eager to read new blog article as well :) I just understand why it takes time and it's really not because Red is going abandoned. It's exactly the opposite.
31880994zz
10:33@rebolek :)
greggirwin
18:19On the token side, we'll have some announcements there soon as well, but not for exchanges or anything. What people need to realize is that we have no control over those listings, aside from paying more and more fees. That's not a good use of our resources.

We do appreciate everyone's patience. If you're not a tech or developer, all the work going into Red isn't as visible.
siriusye
23:51Nothing about listing, if a project is good enough exchanges will list it for free. It is more about the token economics
23:52Waiting for the post anyway.

9214
00:21Listing fees are one of the main sources of income for exchanges, and they can't care less about project's quality. So, your claim about "free listing" makes little to no sense.
greggirwin
00:23More concretely, @siriusye, if you know of one, we're happy to hear about it. Though more exchanges doesn't add more value. Having a single, good exchange is better.
BeardPower
00:28@siriusye Most exchanges that people ask for are unregulated. They will only list a token for BIG money. That's how the make money. Listing fees is what made them rich, not trading fees. Taking money for listing an asset is illegal so listing an asset on an exchange has to be free.
siriusye
00:45Did you guys pay for ddex or gate listing?
00:47Also this is not the important part, dont want to spend resource on listing, so be it. But how to use the token is more important.
00:49Looks like there were many requests about listing makes you guys too
00:49 Sensitive about this topic
greggirwin
00:50It has wasted a lot of our time. We evaluated the options early on, made the best decision we could, and we stand by that.
siriusye
00:55I would understand the case, those top exchanges all ask for huge amount of money for listing, there are free ones but do not provide
00:56fluidity
00:57It is fine to stay current exchanges, good enough. But still make some usages of the token.

BeardPower
07:08Taking fees for listing an asset is illegal. Those exchanges are unregulated and will soon be "kicked" by the regulators.
07:08A regulated exchanges will not ask for listing fees because of that. There are some great regulated exchanges with a lot of liquidity but some people want to see the token on the unreguated exchanges for a reason (e.g. no KYC).

ramdasj
13:44Hi Room I am looking for a change in career from Cloud Engineer to Blockchain Developer. I figured rather than googling it I would ask some of the professionals who can Mentor me to become a Blockchain Developer.
13:45anything helps
endo64
13:58Hi @ramdasj , I don't think it is a correct place for asking mentorship here, since this room is for Red language development and it's use in blockchain.
You can find many other online resources, for the basics start with below links, as mentioned in the room description:
https://medium.com/@mattcondon/getting-up-to-speed-on-ethereum-63ed28821bbe and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBC-nXj3Ng4
Feel free to ask Red related questions in other rooms.

siriusye
00:44> Taking fees for listing an asset is illegal. Those exchanges are unregulated and will soon be "kicked" by the regulators.

do you have a confirmed source about this? or you just assume this will happen?
greggirwin
04:35No one can say for sure, until regulations are passed. If crypto is to be taken seriously, and spread, there will have to be regulations.
siriusye
05:39> No one can say for sure, until regulations are passed. If crypto is to be taken seriously, and spread, there will have to be regulations.

That is true. However, regulations are very country dependent, some countries will never allow crypto exchanges, some countries may allow it very soon. So what is you guys plan for the token economics?
05:46For most of speculation tokens, their token economics are speculating. So they spend all of their resources to listing and advertising their tokens. This is not good, we all agree. So, you guys claim that you guys don't want to go to that way. But, what is your way? There should be a valid token economics system at least in planning?
05:52I don't want to be offensive. I didn't lose money in this project. However, one of my friends lost $300,000 in this project. She was a limited partnership of one of the crypto funding who put lots of eth in this project. I just want to figure out what is going on here.
greggirwin
06:11Yes, tokenomics is still a goal, and I will take the heat for delays on that.
06:14If people invested for the tech, and held tokens in support of that, they haven't lost anything. Only those in a hurry for profit, who sold during all the volatility of the past year, have lost. Of course we feel for them, but that's all out of our control.

BeardPower
01:02@siriusye Let me rephrase it. It's illega to take such ridiculous high feest to list an asset. Just look into the listing fees of stock exchanges and others. The fees are regulated! Example: Binance and other exchanges asked for millions to list an asset. A stock exchange's listing fee is about 300 EUR. They just charge for the paperwork and work need to get the asset listed.

Did your friend sell the tokens? If not she did not have a loss as she still has the tokens. There will only be a win or loss if that trade/exchange is settled.
01:03If youn want to see the listing fees of regulated exchanges just look at their regulatories.
01:04Confirmed source: look at the website of the SEC and other regulatory entities. They already closed some of the unregulated exchanges and some of their owners faced jailtime.
01:05https://hackernoon.com/the-sec-kills-crypto-exchanges-3dc9e3e87651
01:05https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/enforcement-tm-statement-potentially-unlawful-online-platforms-trading
01:05It's not an assumption but hard facts.
01:06TL;DR:
>Today, the SEC made its biggest announcement yet: all the crypto exchanges are illegal unless they register with the SEC.
01:08http://fortune.com/2018/03/01/sec-ico-cryptocurrency-subpoenas/
01:08It's more than confirmed.
01:09It's already happening.
01:17https://www.wired.com/story/case-could-change-how-sec-regulates-cryptocurrencies/
siriusye
02:25So the problem is money. However, this shouldn't be a big problem. The ICO raised 28137 ETH. Given there were sales expense etc., I don't know how much you've got on hand. I assume 60% of eth can go to the project. Back to the that time, eth was worth about $900. So 60% percent of 28137 worth about $15 million. I know Binance or Bitfinex normally asks a prices between 1 million and 5 million. After spend money on one of the top exchanges, the team should still have sufficient money for several years of developing.
02:28If the token price is boosted, the team also can benefit from it. The foundation and team still holds 100 million red tokens. If the price is $1, then there is $100 million. A few million for 100 million is a good deal.
02:34I guess the real case is the team didn‘t cash out at a good price, but cashed out when eth price was heavily dumped. So team only have several millions on hand. This money is needed for maintaining the developing team for a few years. So there is no money for exchanges. Even the red language and c3 dsl is finished, there still will be no resource for the token price.
02:48Everyone should live with their decision. Ironically, the lady I mentioned before lost huge amount of money in this project now works as a partner of a crypto exchange.
BeardPower
10:49@siriusye
Spending money on those horrific and illegal fees is like burning it. Money needs to be taken to good use, which is development. Neither Binance nor Bitfinex is top exchanges. >85% of the exchanges' volume is fake volume. They are neither regulated, performant, or feature-rich. It also makes no sense in splitting liquidity if an already illiquid asset.
The token price will be boosted if the utility token is used in services and products. The current price is only formed by hype, FOMO, greed, and criminal activities by certain market participants.

Again, listed on a regulated exchanged is free! Resources for the token price? It's a utility token and price is formed by its usage.

She would only have lost money if she sold the token. No money would have been lost until a trade is settled. The golden rule of investing: only invest money you can afford to lose.
9214
12:24@siriusye this room is for technical discussions only, so you should move your inquiries to Telegram channel.
siriusye
14:08Ok, np. Besides of that, is there blockchain side people in this project i can talk to. I think most of the people here are programmers?
BeardPower
14:17@siriusye Please specify what you mean by "blockchain side" people. Yes, most people in here are programmers which are the "blockchain side" people.
siriusye
14:28Normally for a blockchain project there should be someone response for the operation
BeardPower
14:28@siriusye There is. Please use the TG group for that.
greggirwin
18:18@siriusye be aware that there is at least one fake Red Official Group on Telegram. https://t.me/redofficial is the real one.

31880994zz
03:47There are different opinions on token prices. I would like to ask you what is the relationship between your red project and the block chain. So far, I haven't found any relationship. So the ICO you made last year should not be based on ETH.
03:48C3 has seriously deviated from its development plan so far.
9214
09:44> I would like to ask you what is the relationship between your red project and the block chain.

"Blockchain" is such a generic (and misused) term that it's impossible to figure what "relationships" you're talking about. Clearly, project's goals, related to blockchain, are described in the whitepaper.

> So the ICO you made last year should not be based on ETH.

So, usage of crypto-assets is prohibited unless it's somehow "related to blockchain"? I have trouble following this leap of logic.

> C3 has seriously deviated from its development plan so far.

Which is more than expected with experimental software and murky, constantly shifting landscape, such as Ethereum ecosystem.

And again, unless you have technical questions, move your inquires to Telegram channel.

pekr
04:57We use PRTG monitoring at work, and I have found their article about the upcoming Facebook's Libra cryptocurrency. They don't seem to be all-positive about it. On an interesting side, they are introducing a statically typed language, called Move. The code looks kind of readable, but far from the DSL cleanness. Would it be worth to support Libry by C3? Or better - is that even technically possible, if it does not follow some cryptocurrency principles?

https://blog.paessler.com/the-unbearable-lightness-of-bitcoin
greggirwin
18:01First, let me opine (state an opinion). The whitepaper says:

> The Libra mission is to enable a simple global currency and financial infrastructure that empowers
billions of people

I believe that is disingenuous. Maybe the development team believes that, but if that was FB's mission for Libra, while FB's own mission, by law, is profit, they would have gone about it a different way. They want to empower people the same way FB wants to connect people.

That said, they want to ride the blockchain wave as well, and we've learned a lot from our time there. Like, having cryptographers design computing systems doesn't make for foolproof systems. It can make for an incredibly secure infrastructure that people can't use safely. Like having a bank vault door on your house, but you can easily lock yourself out, or accidentally leave it unlocked and not know it.

Let's look at a couple move samples:
public deposit(payee: address, to_deposit: Coin) {
let to_deposit_value: u64 = Unpack<Coin>(move(to_deposit));
let coin_ref: &mut Coin = BorrowGlobal<Coin>(move(payee));
let coin_value_ref: &mut u64 = &mut move(coin_ref).value;
let coin_value: u64 = *move(coin_value_ref);
*move(coin_value_ref) = move(coin_value) + move(to_deposit_value);
}

public withdraw_from_sender(amount: u64): Coin {
let transaction_sender_address: address = GetTxnSenderAddress();
let coin_ref: &mut Coin = BorrowGlobal<Coin>(move(transaction_sender_address));
let coin_value_ref: &mut u64 = &mut move(coin_ref).value;
let coin_value: u64 = *move(coin_value_ref);
RejectUnless(copy(coin_value) >= copy(amount));
*move(coin_value_ref) = move(coin_value) - copy(amount);
let new_coin: Coin = Pack<Coin>(move(amount));
return move(new_coin);
}


If you want to avoid mistakes, that doesn't look like a language to help you do it.
18:10But the name "Move" sparked a thought. It's just that, with no analysis. If what you want is the ability to move assets from one place to another, shouldn't that all be built in? You may have conditions to check, but if you just had one move method, with a source, destination, and amount, it either works (atomically) or fails for some reason that it gives you (e.g. source account doesn't have enough funds).

In a world of separate systems, sure, you need deposit and withdraw, with some conversions possibly taking place as well. But within a single system, where there are X assets of a single type, that can only move from place to place, never being created or destroyed, you only need move. Build that into the system and avoid the gobbledygook above, that will be done wrong by many people.

*Can* we support Libra? Yes. It's just a VM and bytecode. *Should* we? Not just yet.

x8x
20:38State of Blockchains Q2 2019: Blockchain Founders Raise over $822 million by Q2
https://outlierventures.io/research/state-of-blockchains-q2-2019-blockchain-founders-raise-over-822-million-by-q2/

dsgeyser
09:30If I remember correctly, it was mentioned at the last RedCon that functional languages aren't a good fit when building cryptocurrency related technologies. Care to state why this is so? Thanks.
9214
13:08@dsgeyser care to cite the source?

greggirwin
18:02@dsgeyser it's a broad brush, but you have to eliminate or severely limit recursion (at least on the EVM), and the blockchain is *all about* state.
9214
19:15To elaborate: *account-based* blockchains (e.g. Ethereum and recently Libra) are all about state. Functional programming is well suited for UTXO model (e.g. Bitcoin). @dsgeyser if you meant usage of functional paradigm for smart-contract languages, then I can elaborate a bit further and dust over my initial R&D on C3 design.

dsgeyser
18:42@greggirwin If I am not mistaken, I heard you mentioning state and recursion as being reasons for functional languages not being suitable for
18:46a smarr contract platform.
9214
18:47@/all coming from the main chat room: [RED Wallet 0.4.0 is out](https://gitter.im/red/red?at=5d24e08e98934d15a7280d90).
dsgeyser
18:50@9214 I had Cardano in mind with Haskell. Please do some dusting... I am in the dark atm.
19:08@greggirwin I meant sometime in the past.
9214
19:09"Smart-contract" itself is a very misleading term: in SCL (smart-contract language) research, it means any kind of automation of legal contracts and agreements between multiple parties, so, most papers that I've found concentrate only on this aspect.

> I had Cardano in mind with Haskell

One of the seminal work in this area is, in fact, a [Haskell parser combinator library](https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/contracts-icfp.pdf) (a DSL, basically) from Peyton-Jones, who IIRC worked on GHCi compiler and later established a fintech company that used this DSL. Most of home-brewed / academic SCL implementations are inspired by this work, like e.g. [Findel](http://orbilu.uni.lu/bitstream/10993/30975/3/findel.pdf) or [Simplicity](https://blockstream.com/simplicity.pdf). Findel's author also maintains a [curated list of SCL resources](https://github.com/s-tikhomirov/smart-contract-languages), which you should check out.
19:12Yoichi Hirai (one of the Ethereum researchers) has [this](https://github.com/pirapira/fp-ethereum) repo, but it seems to be abandoned. [Bamboo](https://github.com/pirapira/bamboo) is interesting though.
dsgeyser
19:28@9214 Thanks. It seems to me that Cardano is going nowhere slowly. I am interested in the contrast between using Haskell and Red on a platform. Red is familiar to me.

Zelos39482837_twitter
11:28hi I have a question
11:28I know the blockchain structure and I want to build an app using blockchain but I didn't understand how blockchain handle p2p connection
11:29I need help with p2p
9214
13:31@Zelos39482837_twitter that's not the right place to ask these kind questions, consider to join Ethereum community channels. Resources linked in this room's description are a good starting point though.

15926222352
07:27Is RED TOKEN could be used to develop the following program agent development business community such as a page can be set in the community or the website I want to develop a program for community members interaction can project to the community programmers pay the corresponding remuneration using RED TOKEN to pay for this can increase the activity and practicability of the community at the same time can also be used to release the RED TOKEN of liquidity
07:29I now want to develop a DAPP in EOS block chain don't know if the community have the programmer would like to help me develop the DAPP I would like to pay with RED TOKEN
07:36Red team you should let the Red Community Token can play out the value of ICO for one year I didn't find Red scrip have any real value can not correctly reflect value
07:46why can't I get RED TOKEN for people with development needs to use and pay the RED scrip to language developed by programmers in RED so bad
11:07Red project team should organize more activities, such as using red language as the basis of application development or DAPP game development contract
23:03Red community is to get block chain? I doubt that there is no one answered me

23:06When it's time to commercial red language?
lucindamichele
23:11@15926222352 , thank you for your enthusiasm! The Red core team is moving forward with many applications for Red Language, blockchain among them. The best way to stay updated on future plans is at https://www.red-lang.org/ .
15926222352
23:54@lucindamichele :) Can be a bit more information?

lucindamichele
06:35Frankly @15926222352 , no, because all the information we have, is free and available to all at github: https://github.com/red or at our website. I wish you all the best in exploring.

siriusye
16:07So finally the blockchain project is cancelled or it is not feasible to implement the proposed idea?
greggirwin
21:33Not cancelled, just subject to roadmap adjustments and logistics.

GiuseppeChillemi
19:44@greggirwin where has been written such change?
greggirwin
19:55@GiuseppeChillemi we don't publish all internal plans, as things can change quickly.
GiuseppeChillemi
19:57@greggirwin I meant: where has Cong Ye got this information?
greggirwin
20:45Ah, I see. I have no idea.